{"id":432,"date":"2004-06-09T22:45:43","date_gmt":"2004-06-09T10:45:43","guid":{"rendered":"\/?p=432"},"modified":"2004-06-09T22:45:43","modified_gmt":"2004-06-09T10:45:43","slug":"substance","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/mhjb.co.nz\/blog\/archives\/432","title":{"rendered":"Substance"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Tonight at St Peter&#8217;s Tim (following NTW, I think) said that it is a constant temptation for us to think of our God in terms of various philosophical traditions, traditions which are in no way shaped by Jesus or the cross. While he was speaking, I was thinking &#8220;It is difficult for me to read even just the Old Testament &#8211; let alone the New &#8211; and understand how language like &#8216;without parts or passions&#8217; is appropriate for talking about our God&#8221;. Tim presented the doctrine of the Trinity as the product of the early Christians trying to bring together Jewish monotheism and this man Jesus who did what only Yahweh can do. I was thinking &#8220;Yes, this makes sense! The Doctrine of the Trinity wasn&#8217;t dropped from heaven like flyers from a propaganda plane, it&#8217;s part of our God&#8217;s working in real history&#8221;. Before communion, we said the <a title=\"newer translation with 'God from God, Light from Light' rather than 'God of God, Light of Light' makes heaps more sense to me\" href=\"http:\/\/anglicansonline.org\/basics\/nicene.html\">Nicene Creed<\/a> together, and I said it with rather more gusto than previously.<\/p>\n<p>Quoting Tim&#8217;s handout:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\nMoltmann says in <em>The Crucified God<\/em>: people are right to disbelieve in the impassive God, because only a suffering God can love. But God is not impassive: he loves, he suffers. On the Cross, the Son dies, and the Father suffers the death of his Son. Father and Son are therefore in loving solidarity with suffering of the world: the Holy Spirit flows out from this experience to the world.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Tonight at St Peter&#8217;s Tim (following NTW, I think) said that it is a constant temptation for us to think of our God in terms of various philosophical traditions, traditions which are in no way shaped by Jesus or the cross. While he was speaking, I was thinking &#8220;It is difficult for me to read [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-432","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-general"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/mhjb.co.nz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/432","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/mhjb.co.nz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/mhjb.co.nz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/mhjb.co.nz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/mhjb.co.nz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=432"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/mhjb.co.nz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/432\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/mhjb.co.nz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=432"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/mhjb.co.nz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=432"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/mhjb.co.nz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=432"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}